So I've had a couple days to cool off after the announcement that Topps has locked up the official baseball card market for another 7 years. Sure Upper Deck and Panini will be able to put out baseball sets featuring players doing baseball things, just without logos and team names. That's good news because we don't need anymore cards like these...
And I'll be honest I'm a Topps collector. I still love putting my base set together and I'm a huge fan of Allen and Ginter, but I still miss those great Upper Deck cards and Diamond Kings.
As always the smoke being blown up my butt from the press release always kind of pisses me off. I'm not sure if their statements are meant to try and justify Topps' power grab or just meant for the general uneducated public, ie not baseball card collectors.
Let's look at one of Mark Sapir's quotes, "Having a deal in place, it allows us to invest in the business. It's tough when you don't know if the deal is going to end in a year or a few years. Having a long-term deal and a long-term partnership allows you to invest in the business and plan the business."
First off I don't think Topps was ever in danger of losing it's MLB license. Unless MLB truly only wanted one company to produce baseball cards, which is possible, then yes I can see a worry there. But Topps and MLB could have signed a 7 year non exclusive deal and that still would have given Topps the commitment for long term "investment" in the business. Would have letting Panini or someone else in the door been that bad? Obviously it would take away some business from Topps. Having an exclusive is a cash cow. Sure UD and Panini's MBLPA sets will draw a little business away from Topps, but lets be honest if you want current MLB stars in their uniforms your going to have to buy Topps. And that's what Topps wants. Let's remember Topps was the exclusive baseball card of the MLB for over 25 years. Until upstarts Fleer and Donruss muscled their way in and then Upper Deck and changed the whole game. If we hadn't had these other players in the market would the industry be where it is today? Would we have things like Chrome, refractors, relic and autographed cards, guaranteed hits, parallels, ect? For better or worse I don't really think so. In its 25 years of exclusivity Topps did introduce a few new products and concepts, but nothing that stuck and nothing too over the top and even when Fleer and Donruss came on the scene Topps still didn't upgrade it's card stock for over a decade, but I do miss that damn card stock.
The other laughable quote was this one, "We've struggled with getting kids back into collecting the way we'd like to. I think all of us would like to see more kids in collecting." I say it's laughable because this was the exact premise on why Topps said that last exclusive license was SOOOOO important and good for the industry and that getting kids back into collecting was priority one..
You've struggled to get kids back into collecting? Geez I don't see how you failed. How about instead of putting together a club exclusive for big spenders you look at putting together something for kids. And not just some crappy thrown together Topps Kids Club, something with some thought and follow through that kids might actually want, because I'll tell you what they don't want, ToppsTown. Instead of increasing the number of higher end products geared exclusively for deep pocketed collectors how about something aimed at the kid who gets an allowance and that they can afford and has some value. What might kids what? I have no idea. I can only tell you what I want. Topps if you want to know what kids want why don't you ask them. And if you want to know what I or other collectors want ask us. Because why we all have different ideas I think we can all agree that I'm tired of walking into my LCS and their shelves look like a Soviet era supermarket.
I've been following a lot of the great card sources down in Las Vegas at the Industry Summit. And the one thing that got me was some of the back and forth when dealers and card shop owners where talking to Topps about why they give retail giants exclusives, like those blue, red and purple bordered cards that you can only find at Wal-mart, Target and Toys R' Us. Steering consumers away from LCS's. Sure for some Wal-mart is their only card source for miles around, but unless we do something Wal-mart might be the only card source. Just saying.
I would also like to say after talking with owners and collector's up here they said how great a lot of Topps mid to higher end football was this year. Mainly because it had to compete with Panini. Or look at those great Hockey cards Panini and Upper Deck put out competing against each other. And I'm not saying that Topps hasn't put out and continues to put out great baseball, but there have been issues, most notably issues with damaged 5 Star Baseball and some of the thicker cards in Series 1 from this year.
So looking ahead......if you enjoyed the last 3 years I think you'll be in for a great next 7. If you're like me and didn't really think the last 3 years were all that great well, I don't know what to tell you. I hope Topps can pull it together. I hope Topps can get it's customer service up to a level that's acceptable, and I hope that in 7 years we still have a sports card industry.
It's not all doom and gloom. Topps flagship is still a great, consistent set that I enjoy putting together and collecting. Topps still has products that I like like Allen and Ginter and chrome. I think more than anything I worried that quality will suffer even more than it has and I worry that Topps will get complacent in their security of a 7 year deal. We'll have to see what the future holds.
cb out.
Oh and go read Chris Harris' new post in over 3 month on this topic, in which he is much more elegant and uses lots more expletives, over at STALE GUM.
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Wednesday, March 20, 2013
Monday, March 18, 2013
Topps to continue to put out uninspiring baseball cards for seven more years!!!
Well I'm not sure if you've heard yet. I actually saw the news posted by the Pack Prodigy first and then did a quick google search to find the Beckett article. I'm guessing my letter to the Commissioner had no sway what so ever. So anyways Major League Baseball has extended Topps monopoly until 2020.
I'm pretty disappointed. I don't know what my future holds in collecting and in blogging, but I'm pretty safe to say I will not be blogging in 2020. So I'm taking down my countdown because honestly it's too depressing.
You know what's funny there hasn't been a peep of this on any of Topps accounts. Nothing on the Topps.com, but that's not surprising Topps has pretty much turned that into a store front. Not a peep from their twitter or facebook accounts about this either. At least as I'm writing this, I just checked.
I honestly don't know what I'm feeling right now. I knew that Topps getting another exclusive deal was always a possibility, but 7 more years??!!?? Are you freaking kidding me? And I like Topps flagship. I love putting my set together and building my team sets, but you know what else I love? Competition, innovation, and a general concern for it's consumer base. I guess we can expect a few more parallels next year, I'm just waiting for Topps to add SP's to the flagship base set, and of course years and years of Topps going back to the same well to do things they've already done.
Sorry, sorry it's all a bit much to take in. And I'm rambling and fuming. And I just want to write a whole blog post with the f word.
What are your thoughts?
I'm pretty disappointed. I don't know what my future holds in collecting and in blogging, but I'm pretty safe to say I will not be blogging in 2020. So I'm taking down my countdown because honestly it's too depressing.
You know what's funny there hasn't been a peep of this on any of Topps accounts. Nothing on the Topps.com, but that's not surprising Topps has pretty much turned that into a store front. Not a peep from their twitter or facebook accounts about this either. At least as I'm writing this, I just checked.
I honestly don't know what I'm feeling right now. I knew that Topps getting another exclusive deal was always a possibility, but 7 more years??!!?? Are you freaking kidding me? And I like Topps flagship. I love putting my set together and building my team sets, but you know what else I love? Competition, innovation, and a general concern for it's consumer base. I guess we can expect a few more parallels next year, I'm just waiting for Topps to add SP's to the flagship base set, and of course years and years of Topps going back to the same well to do things they've already done.
Sorry, sorry it's all a bit much to take in. And I'm rambling and fuming. And I just want to write a whole blog post with the f word.
What are your thoughts?
Thursday, February 7, 2013
Going to the Polls - A Look Back at Topps Exclusive License Part 5
This will probably be the last part to my series, unless I get a response from the Commissioner Selig or Tim Brosnon. But when I started my look back/bitch about the last 3 years in the kingdom of Topps I added a side bar poll. Two actually. I wanted to know what you thought. Because ultimately that's what its all about what we want. I opened the polls for 2 weeks and probably should have pointed them out more as only 37 votes came in, but that's still not bad.
The first question I asked was did you want to see Topps get another multi-year exclusive deal. Here's the results.
DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE MLB GIVE TOPPS ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE MULTI-YEAR DEAL?
Overwhelmingly you guys said no. Who you like to see get a license is a whole other matter, but it also interested me to see that about a quarter of you that voted said you would like to see Topps reign as MLB's exclusive baseball card maker. I wonder if Topps was having employees stuff the ballot box? Also interesting was that out of the 72% that said no 43% of you really don't want Topps to be exclusive again.
I also asked if you thought that Topps' exclusive license hurt the hobby and industry. I also added if you liked pie and according to the results alot of you do.
DID TOPPS EXCLUSIVE MLB LICENSE HELP OR HURT THE INDUSTRY?
I'll assume that the 21% that said it helped it also voted yes for another exclusive deal. There were even a few you were honest and Didn't know or care. But the majority of people who voted and didn't take the funny choice, I'm not blaming you I'd have picked I like pie too, said that it Hurt the industry.
I'm pretty sure you can guess which way I would have voted, but in case you don't I'll tell you. I too don't want to see Topps reign alone anymore. So that begs the question who would I want to see get a license? Well who I would want to see and who's most likely to get one are different answers. I think if any company is going to get a license it'll be Panini. I'm not a huge fan of Panini, but I'm not a hater. And to be honest I would love to see a nice Donruss set again. I kinda miss Diamond Kings. And we can most probably rule out Upper Deck. Besides suing itself out of existence Upper Deck had that whole license infringement back in 2010 and couldn't come up with the money to pay the NFL for a license so I think it's safe to say we won't be seeing any Upper Deck baseball anytime soon. So who does that leave? ITG, Leaf, or some new upstart? Maybe.
Did the Topps Exclusive License help or hurt the industry. Well that's a tough one and it all depends on how you look at it. We are now down to 3 big companies. I'm still counting Upper Deck in the mix for now. And if Upper Deck had got a MLB license back in 2009 would it be in the trouble it's in now? Who knows. But the one thing we can say is the card market got smaller as a whole. I'm sure Topps pocketbook fared very well, I think that was kinda the point. But the industry includes the hobby shops and consumer and while I haven't talked to a ton of people, the over all sense I get is that collectors are buying less and that hobby shops have less to sell with fewer products. And after an initial release if a product is hot a lot of times the price skyrockets. 2010 Heritage and Gypsy Queen anyone? That's bad for both consumers and hobby shops. One it cost us more money to go after cards and so we buy less. It cost the hobby shops more to keep product in stock if they have to go out on the secondary market and pick more up to keep their shelves stocked and then we buy less so they make less. I had a post a few years ago about how bare the cupboard looked at the hobby shop. It was so true. And I'm not looking for the days when there was one to two new products a week coming out and filling the shelves, but I know there has to be and can be a happy medium.
cb out.
cb out.
Friday, January 25, 2013
A letter to the Commissioner of Baseball -A look back at Topps Exclusive License Part 4
I've been slowly working on this letter. Crafting it. Rewriting it. Trying to sound halfway coherent.
If you enjoy the hobby of baseball card collecting I encourage you to take the time to pen a few lines for the Commissioner yourself. While I have no illusions that my letter more than likely will never be seen by Bud Selig, I know that my silence most definitely will. I've also sent an almost identical letter to Tim Brosnon, the Executive Vice President of Business for the MLB. Send them a note, email, whatever. Let them know how you feel. Even if you liked the Topps deal. This is about feedback and the one person they never asked about this exclusive deal was us. At least I don't ever remember being asked. And I'll state again that this is not done as a hatred toward Topps. This is done for choice, for creativity, and most of all for the future generations of card collectors. Lets look at these last three years as an experiment. Was that experiment a success? For Topps pocket book I'm sure it was. For us fans, well that's a bit more muddled. And for the MLB? Who knows? I just know for myself I was unsatisfied and found myself getting kinda bored with the hobby. I know I'm not alone here either.
Here's the address for the Commissioner
Commissioner Bud Selig
245 Park Ave., 31st floor
New York, NY 10167
Anyways here's what I wrote. It ended up being two pages sorry for the formatting issue on the second page and I tried to be formal yet conversational and didn't bad mouth Topps, but tried to lay out the facts and my opinion on the matter.
If you enjoy the hobby of baseball card collecting I encourage you to take the time to pen a few lines for the Commissioner yourself. While I have no illusions that my letter more than likely will never be seen by Bud Selig, I know that my silence most definitely will. I've also sent an almost identical letter to Tim Brosnon, the Executive Vice President of Business for the MLB. Send them a note, email, whatever. Let them know how you feel. Even if you liked the Topps deal. This is about feedback and the one person they never asked about this exclusive deal was us. At least I don't ever remember being asked. And I'll state again that this is not done as a hatred toward Topps. This is done for choice, for creativity, and most of all for the future generations of card collectors. Lets look at these last three years as an experiment. Was that experiment a success? For Topps pocket book I'm sure it was. For us fans, well that's a bit more muddled. And for the MLB? Who knows? I just know for myself I was unsatisfied and found myself getting kinda bored with the hobby. I know I'm not alone here either.
Here's the address for the Commissioner
Commissioner Bud Selig
245 Park Ave., 31st floor
New York, NY 10167
Anyways here's what I wrote. It ended up being two pages sorry for the formatting issue on the second page and I tried to be formal yet conversational and didn't bad mouth Topps, but tried to lay out the facts and my opinion on the matter.
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I want to thank everyone who took the time to read the series, I know it wasn't the most organized and I tend to ramble. I want to thank Ryan Cracknell over at Cardboard Connection for posting links to the posts too.
Thursday, January 24, 2013
What's next? Looking Back on Topps Exclusive MLB License Part 3
I won't lie, we are less than a week from the release of 2013 Topps Series 1 and I'm kind of excited. I always get excited for the launch of the new flagship set. And I also won't lie, I'm a Topps collector, have been since I started collecting way back in the 80's. Something about that first series. It's new, there are new inserts and a base set to put together. I'm less excited about Series 2 and Update, mainly because it's just an extension of that first series. I still want to put the set together and my Brewers team set and have a few extras to send out for TTM's. That being said looking at this years cards it's pretty much more of the same. Topps was talking a big game posting on Facebook the last few days and releasing actually photos of some of the hits, which look nice, but looking at the inserts there's really nothing new. I already did a review when the sell sheets went live, but basically it's 4 main inserts again, a mini (1972 this time), and a die-cut insert. All will have relic and auto variations. There will also again be manufactured "relics" as well as Topps Ultimate 1/1 Chase cards featuring cut signatures and relics of the greats and lots of parallel cards. And some kind of contest or giveaway. Like I said nothing really new. Sure the theme is different, but the basic outline is the same. And for some that's fine. Even for me that's sorta fine. It's always nice knowing what to expect and what your getting. But will there be a surprises? That's why I like Allen and Ginter. Topps usually has a surprise in the set. An unannounced insert or gimmick.Well we know that A&G, Gypsy Queen and Achieves will be back. But yes there is a new gimmick coming out in May. Topps Chipz. Which appears to be some sort of game featuring players on poker style chips, with relics, autos, and of course parallels. That's nice, I love odd ball stuff and more than likely will be picking up a few and at least a set of my Brewers, which from the preliminary checklist there are three.
But nothing like Topps TEK, Fleer Metal Universe, Topps Gold Label, ect. At least not yet. Remember when Topps Chrome came out in the late 90's? There was some great attempts at innovation made between 1996 to 2003.
I had popped into Don's Sportscards the other day. I ended up putting a huge dent in a few sets I was trying to complete and I wanted to ask the owner of the only pure sports card shop in Anchorage what he thought about the Topps Exclusive Experiment. Don told me he'd love to see another company get a full MLB License much like the way the NFL split it up with Topps and Panini, but he wasn't to keen on seeing Panini get the other MLB license. But he also made the point that he really like Topps high and mid range NFL stuff this year and that probably has something to do with the fact that Topps has competition in the market. So that begs the question. If we want to see another company or two get a full MLB license who would that be. Well obviously it would be Panini the other big boy on the block. I'm sure a few of you would say Upper Deck of course, but with UD's recent money and legal problems that doesn't seem too likely, plus I doubt the MLB would even want to deal with Upper Deck after Upper Deck's blatant 2010 baseball release. Leaf? ITG? Some new kid on the block? There really aren't too many options. And while I'm not a huge fan of Panini cards, mainly because they all seem to look the same and rookies always tend to be short printed making set building a pain, I am a huge fan of their customer interaction and support. They have a great website, blog, and social media presence. And for as much bitching as I seem to do about Topps I most certainly do not want them to go away. Topps still puts out sets and products that I love. I just really wish there was a better selection in the market place. And while Topps in putting out about 20 products a year, basically the same number it put out in the nonexclusive times there just seems to be a huge lag between products I want to buy. Not everything Topps puts out is geared toward every collector. Would I love to open a case of Five Star? Absolutely, but it's way out of my price range considering I could buy a full case of Topps or Allen and Ginter for the same price of a couple boxes of the super premium stuff. And let us not forget. Topps didn't start a new collector's club last year for the ordinary collector. No Topps started an exclusive club for the super spender. Which I doubt anyone who reads this blog could join.
So if Topps gets another exclusive license will it be the end of the world? No. But I've seen a trend in the last couple of years that I'm not buying as much. This also has something to do with my disposable cash, but last year Topps pissed me off with their wrapper redemption. The year before you just had to keep all the wrappers from your box and send them in. Last year Topps upped the wrapper requirement to about a box and a half. I had been buying 2 Jumbos a release and putting two base sets together. But that ended last year when Topps got greedy. I bought my one jumbo and then yes 4 more packs so I could get in on the wrapper redemption and that was it. I had my set and my free pack. Any of the inserts I wanted I was going to chase on the secondary market. I haven't heard if there's to be a wrapper redemption this year or not.
Alright, I think I've gotten this out of my system, well almost.
cb out.
But nothing like Topps TEK, Fleer Metal Universe, Topps Gold Label, ect. At least not yet. Remember when Topps Chrome came out in the late 90's? There was some great attempts at innovation made between 1996 to 2003.
I had popped into Don's Sportscards the other day. I ended up putting a huge dent in a few sets I was trying to complete and I wanted to ask the owner of the only pure sports card shop in Anchorage what he thought about the Topps Exclusive Experiment. Don told me he'd love to see another company get a full MLB License much like the way the NFL split it up with Topps and Panini, but he wasn't to keen on seeing Panini get the other MLB license. But he also made the point that he really like Topps high and mid range NFL stuff this year and that probably has something to do with the fact that Topps has competition in the market. So that begs the question. If we want to see another company or two get a full MLB license who would that be. Well obviously it would be Panini the other big boy on the block. I'm sure a few of you would say Upper Deck of course, but with UD's recent money and legal problems that doesn't seem too likely, plus I doubt the MLB would even want to deal with Upper Deck after Upper Deck's blatant 2010 baseball release. Leaf? ITG? Some new kid on the block? There really aren't too many options. And while I'm not a huge fan of Panini cards, mainly because they all seem to look the same and rookies always tend to be short printed making set building a pain, I am a huge fan of their customer interaction and support. They have a great website, blog, and social media presence. And for as much bitching as I seem to do about Topps I most certainly do not want them to go away. Topps still puts out sets and products that I love. I just really wish there was a better selection in the market place. And while Topps in putting out about 20 products a year, basically the same number it put out in the nonexclusive times there just seems to be a huge lag between products I want to buy. Not everything Topps puts out is geared toward every collector. Would I love to open a case of Five Star? Absolutely, but it's way out of my price range considering I could buy a full case of Topps or Allen and Ginter for the same price of a couple boxes of the super premium stuff. And let us not forget. Topps didn't start a new collector's club last year for the ordinary collector. No Topps started an exclusive club for the super spender. Which I doubt anyone who reads this blog could join.
So if Topps gets another exclusive license will it be the end of the world? No. But I've seen a trend in the last couple of years that I'm not buying as much. This also has something to do with my disposable cash, but last year Topps pissed me off with their wrapper redemption. The year before you just had to keep all the wrappers from your box and send them in. Last year Topps upped the wrapper requirement to about a box and a half. I had been buying 2 Jumbos a release and putting two base sets together. But that ended last year when Topps got greedy. I bought my one jumbo and then yes 4 more packs so I could get in on the wrapper redemption and that was it. I had my set and my free pack. Any of the inserts I wanted I was going to chase on the secondary market. I haven't heard if there's to be a wrapper redemption this year or not.
Alright, I think I've gotten this out of my system, well almost.
cb out.
Tuesday, January 22, 2013
It's for the Kids Stupid - Topps Exclusive MLB Deal part 2.
In this installment of our look back on Topps' 3 year exclusive MLB deal I want to look at the what was said 3 years ago and what actually came to pass. The deal was first reported in the New York Times back in August 2009. From what I could find almost every other entity that reported on it used the Times as their source, at least at the start. So if your interested where I get my quotes and other talking points it's from that article by Richard Sandomir. You can read it HERE.
First lets start with a little more history. This time with the Topps company. I'm not going to go back to the start of Topps. You can read the full history here on the wiki page. No we start with Topps as a publicly traded company that soon found itself in financial trouble and along comes Michael Eisner, yep that guy, and his investment company Tornante with Madison Dearborn Partners, in 2007, they were able to acquire Topps. I've really glossed over the history here, but the point is now we have Topps as a privately held company, headed by Michael Eisner.
The article is full of pomp and pride as Eisner and Tom Brosnan, the Executive VP for Business of the MLB try to sell us on this great new transpiration.
“This is redirecting the entire category toward kids,” said Eisner, “Topps has been making cards for 60 years, the last 30 in a nonexclusive world that has caused confusion to the kid who walks into a Wal-Mart or a hobby store.It’s also been difficult to promote cards as unique and original. ”
First off how condescending is this quote. Kids aren't stupid. Trust me if a kid is interested in something, they know all about it. Trust me, ahem dinosaurs.
What gets me from this Eisner quote is just how blatantly false it is or was or is. Let's dissect it.
“This is redirecting the entire category toward kids." What category is that? Baseball card? OK lets say Baseball cards. Now how is it Topps having the only license redirecting baseball cards to kids? Especially the entire category? By offering $300 packs of cards?
"It’s also been difficult to promote cards as unique and original." Because you've been making cards for 60 years!!! And lets face it the last 3 years has really shown nothing unique or original.
Let look back at 3 years of Topps products and see how they redirected the entire category to kids.
In 2010 the first year of their exclusive deal Topps put out about 20 products not counting eTopps, Minor League sets, or other online exclusives. I'm not sure how many products Topps was allowed to produce or if the Flagship, that's broken down into Series counts as one or two, or if the Update series is rolled in with that as well. I've divided Topps products into 3 categories. Low end under $3.00-3.50 a pack (remember when jumbo cello packs were 75 cents or less?), mid end $3.50 to about $10.00 a pack, and High end anything over $10.00 a pack. I'm going to use estimations and current pack prices on Blowout. Due to the lack of product in 2010 a lot of hobby packs when through the roof with Strasmania hit.
Bowman - Mid
Bowman Chrome - Mid
Bowman DPP - Mid
Bowman Platinum - Mid
Bowman Sterling - High
Finest - High
Topps - Series 1 Low
Topps - Series 2 Low
Topps - Update Low
Topps 206 - Mid
Topps Allen and Ginter - Mid
Topps Attax - Low
Topps Heritage - Mid
Topps National Chicle - Mid
Topps Opening Day - Low
Topps Sterling - High
Topps Tribute - High
Topps Triple Threads - High
Low end: 5
Mid-end: 8
High-end: 5
2011 Topps sets. There really wasn't too much change in 2011, but we did see the start of a new brand in Gypsy Queen which was immensely popular and under ordered, so box prices skyrocketed after it's initial release. Topps didn't release another 206 or National Chicle.
Bowman - Mid
Bowman Chrome - Mid
Bowman DPP - Mid
Bowman Platinum - Mid
Bowman Sterling - High
Finest - High
Topps Series 1 - Low
Topps Series 2 - Low
Topps Update - Low
Topps Allen and Ginter - Mid
Topps Attax - Low
Topps Chrome - Mid
Topps Gypsy Queen - Mid then High( I still put this in the Mid category as Topps released it as a mid priced release and the secondary market took it up to high-end)
Topps Heritage - Mid
Topps Lineage - Mid
Topps Marquee - High
Topps Opening Day - Low
Topps Stickers - Low (I was torn to include this one, but it is a Topps baseball product geared toward kids)
Topps Tier One - High
Topps Tribute - High
Topps Triple Threads - High
Low-end: 6
Mid-end: 9
High-end: 6
2012 Topps sets. The only thing that really changed here was the Lineage was replaced by Achieves and Topps replaced Marquee with 5 Star and just got rid of the Attax line.
Bowman - Mid
Bowman Chrome - Mid
Bowman DDP- Mid
Bowman Platinum - Mid
Bowman Sterling - High
Finest - High
Topps Series 1 - Low
Topps Series 2 - Low
Topps Update - Low
Topps Allen and Ginter - Mid
Topps Archives - Mid
Topps Chrome - Mid
Topps Five Star - High
Topps Gypsy Queen - Mid
Topps Heritage - Mid
Topps Opening Day - Low
Topps Stickers - Low
Topps Tier One - High
Topps Tribute - High
Topps Triple Threads - High
Low-end: 5
Mid-end: 9
High-end 6
But let's look at what was offered in 2009 the last year of multi-company card manufacture. I won't list all the different sets, but using the same critirea here is the break down of Topps offerings in 2009
Low = 5
Mid =11
High= 4
So basically what we can see here is that Topps thinks that redirecting the hobby towards kids involves offering packs of cards that go for more than $3. As a matter of fact instead of raising the number of affordable packs they raise the number of higher end cards, of course they didn't really decrease the number of low end offerings, just mid-level.
I have no idea what a kid gets for an allowance in this day and age, but I will tell you that spending it on a couple of packs of cards probably rank really low. And we've already had this discussion about the trends in the hobby. But the simple fact it kids aren't going to save the hobby or the industry. At least not right away. Because kids don't have money! Kids get money from their parents or whomever and then spend that money one all sorts of things and maybe a few packs of cards, but the majority of baseball and other sports cards are bought by adults. It's getting these kids interested in trading cards that might bring them back to baseball cards in say 7 to 10 years though. Think about it. A kid collects with his dad or brother, or even on his own, but eventually other interests more than likely take precedent. Girls, cars, college. But what I've seen from a lot of stories about the blogosphere is that eventually a guy or gal might pick up a pack on a whim, finds his/her old collection, or some other catalyst gets them back in the hobby. This is where the getting kids interested now, might pay off down the road. But even Topps gets it. While they might say it's for the kids, from looking at what's offered it's most definitely not. I don't think kids today would be happy with what's offered in their price range. Not when you can look on Youtube and see box breaks of these $300 packs and what's inside.
Alright I've rambled and bitched enough for one post.
Next up I'm going to talk about the lack of innovation that Topps calls progress.
cb out.
First lets start with a little more history. This time with the Topps company. I'm not going to go back to the start of Topps. You can read the full history here on the wiki page. No we start with Topps as a publicly traded company that soon found itself in financial trouble and along comes Michael Eisner, yep that guy, and his investment company Tornante with Madison Dearborn Partners, in 2007, they were able to acquire Topps. I've really glossed over the history here, but the point is now we have Topps as a privately held company, headed by Michael Eisner.
The article is full of pomp and pride as Eisner and Tom Brosnan, the Executive VP for Business of the MLB try to sell us on this great new transpiration.
“This is redirecting the entire category toward kids,” said Eisner, “Topps has been making cards for 60 years, the last 30 in a nonexclusive world that has caused confusion to the kid who walks into a Wal-Mart or a hobby store.It’s also been difficult to promote cards as unique and original. ”
First off how condescending is this quote. Kids aren't stupid. Trust me if a kid is interested in something, they know all about it. Trust me, ahem dinosaurs.
What gets me from this Eisner quote is just how blatantly false it is or was or is. Let's dissect it.
“This is redirecting the entire category toward kids." What category is that? Baseball card? OK lets say Baseball cards. Now how is it Topps having the only license redirecting baseball cards to kids? Especially the entire category? By offering $300 packs of cards?
"It’s also been difficult to promote cards as unique and original." Because you've been making cards for 60 years!!! And lets face it the last 3 years has really shown nothing unique or original.
Let look back at 3 years of Topps products and see how they redirected the entire category to kids.
In 2010 the first year of their exclusive deal Topps put out about 20 products not counting eTopps, Minor League sets, or other online exclusives. I'm not sure how many products Topps was allowed to produce or if the Flagship, that's broken down into Series counts as one or two, or if the Update series is rolled in with that as well. I've divided Topps products into 3 categories. Low end under $3.00-3.50 a pack (remember when jumbo cello packs were 75 cents or less?), mid end $3.50 to about $10.00 a pack, and High end anything over $10.00 a pack. I'm going to use estimations and current pack prices on Blowout. Due to the lack of product in 2010 a lot of hobby packs when through the roof with Strasmania hit.
Bowman - Mid
Bowman Chrome - Mid
Bowman DPP - Mid
Bowman Platinum - Mid
Bowman Sterling - High
Finest - High
Topps - Series 1 Low
Topps - Series 2 Low
Topps - Update Low
Topps 206 - Mid
Topps Allen and Ginter - Mid
Topps Attax - Low
Topps Heritage - Mid
Topps National Chicle - Mid
Topps Opening Day - Low
Topps Sterling - High
Topps Tribute - High
Topps Triple Threads - High
Low end: 5
Mid-end: 8
High-end: 5
2011 Topps sets. There really wasn't too much change in 2011, but we did see the start of a new brand in Gypsy Queen which was immensely popular and under ordered, so box prices skyrocketed after it's initial release. Topps didn't release another 206 or National Chicle.
Bowman - Mid
Bowman Chrome - Mid
Bowman DPP - Mid
Bowman Platinum - Mid
Bowman Sterling - High
Finest - High
Topps Series 1 - Low
Topps Series 2 - Low
Topps Update - Low
Topps Allen and Ginter - Mid
Topps Attax - Low
Topps Chrome - Mid
Topps Gypsy Queen - Mid then High( I still put this in the Mid category as Topps released it as a mid priced release and the secondary market took it up to high-end)
Topps Heritage - Mid
Topps Lineage - Mid
Topps Marquee - High
Topps Opening Day - Low
Topps Stickers - Low (I was torn to include this one, but it is a Topps baseball product geared toward kids)
Topps Tier One - High
Topps Tribute - High
Topps Triple Threads - High
Low-end: 6
Mid-end: 9
High-end: 6
2012 Topps sets. The only thing that really changed here was the Lineage was replaced by Achieves and Topps replaced Marquee with 5 Star and just got rid of the Attax line.
Bowman - Mid
Bowman Chrome - Mid
Bowman DDP- Mid
Bowman Platinum - Mid
Bowman Sterling - High
Finest - High
Topps Series 1 - Low
Topps Series 2 - Low
Topps Update - Low
Topps Allen and Ginter - Mid
Topps Archives - Mid
Topps Chrome - Mid
Topps Five Star - High
Topps Gypsy Queen - Mid
Topps Heritage - Mid
Topps Opening Day - Low
Topps Stickers - Low
Topps Tier One - High
Topps Tribute - High
Topps Triple Threads - High
Low-end: 5
Mid-end: 9
High-end 6
But let's look at what was offered in 2009 the last year of multi-company card manufacture. I won't list all the different sets, but using the same critirea here is the break down of Topps offerings in 2009
Low = 5
Mid =11
High= 4
So basically what we can see here is that Topps thinks that redirecting the hobby towards kids involves offering packs of cards that go for more than $3. As a matter of fact instead of raising the number of affordable packs they raise the number of higher end cards, of course they didn't really decrease the number of low end offerings, just mid-level.
I have no idea what a kid gets for an allowance in this day and age, but I will tell you that spending it on a couple of packs of cards probably rank really low. And we've already had this discussion about the trends in the hobby. But the simple fact it kids aren't going to save the hobby or the industry. At least not right away. Because kids don't have money! Kids get money from their parents or whomever and then spend that money one all sorts of things and maybe a few packs of cards, but the majority of baseball and other sports cards are bought by adults. It's getting these kids interested in trading cards that might bring them back to baseball cards in say 7 to 10 years though. Think about it. A kid collects with his dad or brother, or even on his own, but eventually other interests more than likely take precedent. Girls, cars, college. But what I've seen from a lot of stories about the blogosphere is that eventually a guy or gal might pick up a pack on a whim, finds his/her old collection, or some other catalyst gets them back in the hobby. This is where the getting kids interested now, might pay off down the road. But even Topps gets it. While they might say it's for the kids, from looking at what's offered it's most definitely not. I don't think kids today would be happy with what's offered in their price range. Not when you can look on Youtube and see box breaks of these $300 packs and what's inside.
Alright I've rambled and bitched enough for one post.
Next up I'm going to talk about the lack of innovation that Topps calls progress.
cb out.
Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Looking Back...Topps Exclusive MLB Deal Part 1
I'm going to start this series off slowly. I have yet to fully organize my thoughts, finish my research, write my letters, yell really loud, and put it all together. So lets start at the beginning and maybe go back to it from time to time.
I just finished a great article written fairly recently by Brian Tedardis at Sports Card Radio entitled Card Tank: The Topps Company. It is really well written and after reading it scared the pants off me a little to think just how true the points Brian makes are. But we'll talk about a lot of that in another post.
First a little history for histories sake. In early August 2009 it was announced that Major League Baseball and the Topps Company had come to an agreement to an exclusive 3 year deal for making Baseball cards.
It was a little surprising. OK for me it was a lot surprising. The time from the mid 1990's to the mid 2000's was a time of Baseball card gluttony. There were at times so many products coming out there were stacked one on top of another. It was almost too much to take in. But while the industry was bogged down in what seemed like a quagmire of choices, one thing emerged from that time. Innovation. This era produced the relic, autograph and parallel card. The foil stamping and serial numbering. The SP and the SSP. The redemption, the chrome, the printing plate, and the 1/1. It's from this era that everything you love or hate came from, unless you just love vintage, but you know what I mean here.
I can remember back in 2003 standing at the counter at Don's Sportscards looking at the shelves and shelves of baseball card boxes and not being able to decide what I wanted. And I remember bitching to Don about how there was just too much product. And I'll stand by that. There was absolutely just no way a collector could collect it all. And I remember a couple of years ago after Topps' exclusive license took hold looking at those same shelves and thinking how bare the cupboard looked. From one extreme to the other. I have to think there can be a happy middle ground.
Alright next time I'm going to talked about what Topps and the MLB said about the deal and what really happened having 3 years to look back on.
Oh and I've started a little poll on the side bar feel free to vote your heart. Cuz I like pie too.
cb out
I just finished a great article written fairly recently by Brian Tedardis at Sports Card Radio entitled Card Tank: The Topps Company. It is really well written and after reading it scared the pants off me a little to think just how true the points Brian makes are. But we'll talk about a lot of that in another post.
First a little history for histories sake. In early August 2009 it was announced that Major League Baseball and the Topps Company had come to an agreement to an exclusive 3 year deal for making Baseball cards.
It was a little surprising. OK for me it was a lot surprising. The time from the mid 1990's to the mid 2000's was a time of Baseball card gluttony. There were at times so many products coming out there were stacked one on top of another. It was almost too much to take in. But while the industry was bogged down in what seemed like a quagmire of choices, one thing emerged from that time. Innovation. This era produced the relic, autograph and parallel card. The foil stamping and serial numbering. The SP and the SSP. The redemption, the chrome, the printing plate, and the 1/1. It's from this era that everything you love or hate came from, unless you just love vintage, but you know what I mean here.
I can remember back in 2003 standing at the counter at Don's Sportscards looking at the shelves and shelves of baseball card boxes and not being able to decide what I wanted. And I remember bitching to Don about how there was just too much product. And I'll stand by that. There was absolutely just no way a collector could collect it all. And I remember a couple of years ago after Topps' exclusive license took hold looking at those same shelves and thinking how bare the cupboard looked. From one extreme to the other. I have to think there can be a happy middle ground.
Alright next time I'm going to talked about what Topps and the MLB said about the deal and what really happened having 3 years to look back on.
Oh and I've started a little poll on the side bar feel free to vote your heart. Cuz I like pie too.
cb out
Thursday, January 10, 2013
It's time to start!
First off let me preface this post with this. I don't hate Topps. Not one bit. What I hate is the lack of choice and exclusivity in general. Second I'm only going to direct this toward baseball cards, not hockey or basketball.
If you read my blog regularly (thank you by the way) you may have notice the countdown I put up on my blog a few years ago. That's right my "Countdown to the end of Topps Exclusive MLB License" has been sitting over on the sidebar for well over 2 years. You may also have noticed that we are under 365 days till Topps' 3 year deal ends. It's been an interesting 3 years under Topps' reign. I plan on dissecting it. I've started going back to some of the original articles from Beckett, SCD, and other news and hobby outlets looking at claims made and how things actually worked out. I plan on talking to my two LCS's and seeing how the deal has worked out for them. I plan on writing letters to the Commissioner of Baseball, Bug Selig, and the Exec. VP of Business for Major League Baseball, Tim Brosnon. Not that they care what I think, but at least there will be some feedback going their way. It occurred to me way back in '09 that the MLB never bothered to ask us the fans and collectors what we wanted. I understand from a business standpoint at least for Topps, having almost no competition is a boon, but for us...well I'll talk about that too.
I guess this is the first post of my crusade this year. Until MLB decides if Topps gets another multi-year exclusive deal or they let some others in on the fun too. And while I have no desire to see the hobby go back to the was it was about 10 years ago, with so many products crowding the shelves it was impossible to choose. I surely think that there is a happy medium compared to now where it seems like there's barely anything on the shelves at all.
So get your torches and pitchforks ready.
cb out.
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